[Scratchbox-users] scratchbox 1 vs scratchbox 2 ... and some doc

[Lauri Leukkunen]

On Jul 23, 2008, at 16:31 PM, E Robertson wrote:
>> Most likely, unless people have fallen in love with SB1 and don't  
>> want to
>> give up their chroot jail. Stockholm syndrome. SB1 costs about 10x  
>> more to
>> develop and maintain.
>
> Actually, I have for some time now but recently been having some
> problems using my custom toolchain (or foreign toolchain as they put
> it).
> It's been something I'm working on off and on but it's been giving me
> a beating.  I do agree the maintainance is a problem but change takes
> time.
> I have to admit I took a look at OE and have been impressed with the
> way things are done in it. But I still like SB.

I'm not going to get into "but SB is not a distro, like OE is"  
argument. :)
With SB2 there is no "native toolchain" vs. "foreign toolchain",  
anything goes as is, with no modifications. As long as the gcc  
version is from this decade. For older ones I cannot guarantee, but I  
suspect even they'll work.

>>> - Scratchbox2 has nothing to do with Scratchbox.
>>
>> Not true. SB2 will be used by Nokia to replace SB1 at some point,  
>> it seems
>> to take quite long to happen though, not surprisingly.
>>
>>
>>> - The Debian tools platforms stands on its own and can be used for
>>> development.
>>
>> Again I don't understand what you mean with "debian tools platform".
>
> Maybe refering to emdebian or debian cross tools? Which is a different
> environment that SB.

In that case I'd say that SB2 complements them, there is overlap, but  
it's all down to how the SDK is put together. It's just one more tool  
in the bag, nothing more, nothing less.

>> Most people who use SB (the people doing maemo work), got their  
>> instructions
>> from their SDK provider (maemo.org in most cases).
>>
>> The sad state of the documentation on scratchbox.org reflects  
>> this. As for
>> SB2, I've not cared about documentation myself. If someone wants  
>> to step
>> forward and start writing it into the fdo wiki, I'll promise to  
>> answer *any*
>> question, more or less. :)
>
> Maybe many haven't switch to SB2 yet? like me :-).

Probably, one of the big obstacles for developing SB2 is that most of  
its potential users are using SB1 in their day jobs, they don't seem  
to have time nor interest in experimenting with new ways. Funny how  
easily open source is turned into a stagnated gray corporate  
playground.. All it takes is a little money, and *poof*, there went  
all the fun.

/lauri